Getting Kicked As Leader - Page 3 - Guild Wars Forums

Isileth · Sep 23, 2007, 09:29 AM // 09:29

Well one thing to remember is....it isnt real money....

Also you can trust people on the internet. Not if you invite random people and promote them without ever getting to know them. But if you take your time yes you can.

Im part of a community formed around gaming where everyone has met through games and we have given money (real money) over to people in the group before. Most of the time its for when we hire out a place for a LAN party or whatever we send it over to 1 guy who will arrange it all. But we also send money as gifts when people get married have kids etc.

Now a lot of people have never met before, infact untill the first LAN we had no one had, we are spread across America and Europe. Yet we have taken the time to get to know each other to the point where we do trust each other, obviousely not everyone but hey there are always exceptions

And the level of trust involved in having someone look after your guild is obviousely so much lower. Finding someone you trust to do that shouldnt be difficult. The fact that every guild I have been in has had multiple people we all trusted to look after the guild shows its possible as well.

As long as you dont go promoting the wrong person for the wrong reasons you should never run into any problems.

populationcontrol · Sep 23, 2007, 05:30 PM // 17:30

it is real money, its even harder to earn than real money and nobody i know trusts people they dont know with there money. i think it should be optinal considering you own and invsted in the guild to have someone promoted during along absense not mandatory. regardless is you trust your guild mates the feature should be optional.

Isileth · Sep 23, 2007, 05:47 PM // 17:47

No its not real money....

And when it comes down to it you dont own the money. You also dont own the guild. Anet owns it. And as such there is no ownership by a player meaning the leader doesnt loose it if he gets demoted because he never had it

segnisletum · Sep 27, 2007, 08:36 AM // 08:36

I know the account/password to my leaders and 4 other officers account and they mine. Crazy thing when you only promote people you trust. Would easily give them 550k and trust them to give it back a week later without me even needing to ask for it. I know none of these people in real life. We just talk on ts.

Yes I have/would lend my credit card to someone. Only a friend I know and would have to know why they need it, but I would.

If you don't have a single officer you can trust, you are leading a crap guild.

This rule isn't just about the leader either. Hypothetically if our leader left, all the officers would be s.o.l. because recruiting would be near impossible. People join, see a leader gone for over a month and leave. The guild dies. Officers are depressed because they are playing in a decaying guild. They don't want to leave because they might have footed some of that 400k to build the hall. Besides, we boot members gone for 2 weeks if they didn't give notice, officers demoted after 5 days with no notice. Leader shouldn't be any different.

How much does it actually cost to start the guild? Like 500g? They should get that back, after that all purchases belong to the guild itself, not the leader.

omni77 · Oct 02, 2007, 06:33 AM // 06:33

If a Guild leader makes a guild and leaves for a uncertain amount of months. I think the guild should have a chance to get up and going again. The guild leader isn't the only one to buy stuff for the guild. It is STUFF for THE GUILD. not for just you either. Why should they waste money on a guild that you just up and left. think about the waste of time/GW money for them too. If your not serious about playing the game then you really don't need the stuff for the guild hall. so don't buy it lol.

Why shouldn't Anet want people to play Guildwars? lol its how they make money, if you don't want to play its there right to keep they're game going by making sure the guilds are running and not going stale.

As for trusting people... well i'm sorry its hard for you to trust people. If someone gave me money or they're time or whatever, i would endeavor to pay them pack in whatever way i can. as soon as i can. I am careful about who i trust. but that doesn't mean i can't trust someone though.

This is just me though.

SpeedyG99 · Oct 11, 2007, 07:21 PM // 19:21

Yep, never trust anyone, if you imagine them all as worthless worms and hate them, your friends list people are just random guys to take advantage of when they think you actually like them, you go FAR

Cats · Oct 12, 2007, 10:00 AM // 10:00

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Originally Posted by populationcontrol

i dare you to make that experiment with an unknown person u promoted to officer because he was either nice or good at pvp. people you know personally doesnt count.

Why would I be promoting an unknown person? If I did something as dumb as that, I deserve to lose every penny I threw on him. Every officer in my guild has been watched, tried and tested in every way possible, and they are voted in via council decision. The problem with many guilds is they don't bother to put thought/effort into their selection of officers, and therein lies the problem.

Btw, an officer of CV has been holding a large amount of guild money since May, and has only dug out of it to reward winners of contests. Another officer has been holding onto another sum of money for me for the past two weeks and hasn't touched a cent. I wouldn't say they were good or bad at PvP, but they're trustworthy, and make great friends/officers.

NeilGarra · Oct 29, 2007, 05:43 PM // 17:43

I just became the Guild Leader of an inactive guild with a loaded guild hall. The 5 other members hadn't loged on for 3-7 months, and the record showed that leadership passed from one to the other as each hit the 60-daqy point. NOW I understand what was meant by "Auto-designated as Guild Leader by Guild Wars"!

Researching the GW wiki uncovered this:
"If the guild leader does not log in for two months, the guild leader will be demoted to officer and one of the officers will be promoted to guild leader, the selection method used by this process is whichever officer was logged on last." (http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Guild_Leader)

This policy is NOT well documented, but should be because of some of the comments above about losing an investment.

I was wondering if I REALLY owned it before I invested a lot of time and effort changing the guild hall & cape design, creating a website, establishing written policies, recruiting ACTIVE members, etc. Now that I know, the "Grune Dame Admirors" will come back to life!

Best Regards,
Neil

Sleeper Service · Oct 30, 2007, 08:09 PM // 20:09

there is nothing saying what happens if there are no officers left in the guild.

does the guild just vanish?

I'm asking this because we have a dead guild in our alliance and the leader doesn't have the balls to kick it out for...personal reasons.

NeilGarra · Oct 30, 2007, 10:29 PM // 22:29

I found no info on an inactive "no officer" guild.

princess of teddys · Oct 31, 2007, 09:22 PM // 21:22

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deathe By Prayer

Now i had no idea this happens, but i was a leader of a 30 peps guild, right? Everyone went inactive after a while and i took a break from GW. Then i come back tonight and i find im not leader anymore! Now i never gave anyone the spot so i wonder now how my officer has become leader? It says "Auto-designated as Guild Leader by Guild Wars". "Leadership surrendered by: Super Monkey Healer (My old character)". Can someone lend a hand at telling me what gave Guild Wars the right to hand over my leadership? And guess what makes it worse, the current leader has been inactive for 1 month so i have no way of contacting.

Im guessing its auto..(since it does say)

That is horrible to know that.Well why were you a month gone? I bet most of ur members left?

Well I wouldnt be angry just say..."uh..well <new leaders name> Im....back thx for going in my place,design me as leader now!!! NOWWW!!! lol jk

Well Im leader I normally log in every few weeks[thats if I get bored of gws']

Rinadan Farhunt · Oct 31, 2007, 09:28 PM // 21:28

This is a great feature... If you've bug... er, "gone away" for two months, you can't be much of a leader. Also, This guy posted this how long ago? Don't think he'll still be reading it somehow...

lishi · Nov 16, 2007, 09:05 AM // 09:05

Quote:

Originally Posted by populationcontrol

it is real money, its even harder to earn than real money and nobody i know trusts people they dont know with there money. i think it should be optinal considering you own and invsted in the guild to have someone promoted during along absense not mandatory. regardless is you trust your guild mates the feature should be optional.

I do have trusted people for more then 300k (money transfer between account).

Why? Because i know them to be mature, intelligent, trustworthy people. I played them for more then one year, we speaked in vent at regulary.

I know i can trust them.

I know if they steal my money the loss of the money will be the least of my sorrow.

Miss Puddles · Dec 14, 2007, 10:32 PM // 22:32

my guild set up a co-leader system when we formed up. the 3 of us founders rotate leadership depending on who is going to be busy with work, has relatives visiting, final exams, etc. if whoever is leader at the time will be unavailable for several days or more, it passes to one of the other two. seems to work well

scyfer · Dec 24, 2007, 11:52 PM // 23:52

This happened to my guild as well - and the person who was promoted was not an officer (there were two officers, the current leader was a member before). So... Iit seems to give leadership to members as well, if the leader and all officers haven't logged in in 2+ months :/ That is a *bad* idea.

Yang Whirlwind · Dec 25, 2007, 12:23 AM // 00:23

So let me get this right,- some of you are arguing that leaving a guild "headless" for more than 60 days shouldn't have consequences on ownership?
Personally I think a leader who leaves for such a long period of time, without handing over the post to someone he trusts in his absense, is a leader in title only!

If you leave for 60 days, not once logging in during that time, it stand to reason, that any people left in the guild, should be people who know you're comming back and are waiting for you,- or they would have found a new guild long before this!

Rule makes sense to me!

Just my 2 cents!

You can't see me · Dec 26, 2007, 07:27 AM // 07:27

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yang Whirlwind

So let me get this right,- some of you are arguing that leaving a guild "headless" for more than 60 days shouldn't have consequences on ownership?
Personally I think a leader who leaves for such a long period of time, without handing over the post to someone he trusts in his absense, is a leader in title only!

If you leave for 60 days, not once logging in during that time, it stand to reason, that any people left in the guild, should be people who know you're comming back and are waiting for you,- or they would have found a new guild long before this!

Rule makes sense to me!

Just my 2 cents!

Agreed.

As leader, you have responsibilities to a guild and it's members. You can't let them stand by unanswered because you're on holiday. If you don't want this to happen, then you should promote someone in your absense who you know will give up the spot to you when you return. What are guilds supposed to do when their leader is gone for 60 days +? Great game feature IMO. Nothing to rant about.

dark_prince2023 · Dec 26, 2007, 07:20 PM // 19:20

This conversation is strang. I'm use to the guild being formed with a group not just one person (granted it can be done that way). Must guilds I've seen in this game and others are done this way and leaders are pretty much voted into office sort of like a president. Most guilds run like a government not a didctatorship and some of what I read on this thread is apalling. I'm glad I'm in a loosely run guild but even still it has it's rules and leaders are voted upon. I have seen 4 leaders since I've been in that guild none of them bad just stepped down when the time was right. If your never on and can't trust your officers and don't want to pass it on cause it's "yours" then I feel for your members.

Tarja · Dec 27, 2007, 06:50 AM // 06:50

If a guild leader doesn't log in for 60 days, why should they get the position back? Honestly, put yourselves in the members and officer's positions. You can't deal with alliance matters, as only the leader has that power (leaving, inviting, ect). You can't demote an officer for inactivity, or if they over stepped their bounds (I'm NOT saying that they were bad, mistakes happen to everyone). Recruiting is hard, as newer members see that a leader hasn't logged on in xx amount of time. It's not a good sign to new members that the guild is "healthy" so to say.

This happened to my old guild, and the leader disappeared. The officers had her phone number, but she never answered. Two officers had to take a break from the game for personal reasons, and our alliance went downhill with certain guilds verbally attacking our members. When the leader reached the 60 day limit, it was a good thing. Also, the leader isn't the only one who can purchase the NPC's/sigils needed. I just bought NPC's for my current guild, and I'm just a member.

A guild is a group project, not a solo one. (Unless of course, you're a guild of one :P) Leadership is a responsibility. Look at it this way. If you were a part of a successful company and suddenly disappeared, those above you would appoint someone to take your place, and you'd get fired. It's your own fault if you didn't show up, and if it was a personal reason, you should have let someone know. At least GW just demotes you to officer status, and not member status, or even kick you from the guild

quickmonty · Dec 27, 2007, 02:35 PM // 14:35

If I knew I was going to be inactive for a while I would step down and give leadership to my "second in command". If something happened and I couldn't log on and GW promoted the most senior officer it would revert to same person I would have given it to. I KNOW I would get the guild back once I became active again.

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Originally Posted by populationcontrol

would you give one of ur officers (whom you dont know personally) 300k lets say wait a week and ask for it back? i rest my case

I would give it to ANY of my officers. They are officers because they have earned my trust, and the trust of all the other officers that voted their promotion. I rest my case!

Oct 02, 2007, 06:33 AM // 06:33	#45
omni77 Pre-Searing Cadet Join Date: Oct 2007 Guild: Dragoon Army Profession: W/	If a Guild leader makes a guild and leaves for a uncertain amount of months. I think the guild should have a chance to get up and going again. The guild leader isn't the only one to buy stuff for the guild. It is STUFF for THE GUILD. not for just you either. Why should they waste money on a guild that you just up and left. think about the waste of time/GW money for them too. If your not serious about playing the game then you really don't need the stuff for the guild hall. so don't buy it lol. Why shouldn't Anet want people to play Guildwars? lol its how they make money, if you don't want to play its there right to keep they're game going by making sure the guilds are running and not going stale. As for trusting people... well i'm sorry its hard for you to trust people. If someone gave me money or they're time or whatever, i would endeavor to pay them pack in whatever way i can. as soon as i can. I am careful about who i trust. but that doesn't mean i can't trust someone though. This is just me though. Last edited by omni77; Oct 02, 2007 at 06:39 AM // 06:39..

Oct 29, 2007, 05:43 PM // 17:43	#48
NeilGarra Pre-Searing Cadet Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Sierra Vista, Arizona Guild: Grune Dame Admirors [GDA]	Just Inherited a Guild & Hall I just became the Guild Leader of an inactive guild with a loaded guild hall. The 5 other members hadn't loged on for 3-7 months, and the record showed that leadership passed from one to the other as each hit the 60-daqy point. NOW I understand what was meant by "Auto-designated as Guild Leader by Guild Wars"! Researching the GW wiki uncovered this: "If the guild leader does not log in for two months, the guild leader will be demoted to officer and one of the officers will be promoted to guild leader, the selection method used by this process is whichever officer was logged on last." (http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Guild_Leader) This policy is NOT well documented, but should be because of some of the comments above about losing an investment. I was wondering if I REALLY owned it before I invested a lot of time and effort changing the guild hall & cape design, creating a website, establishing written policies, recruiting ACTIVE members, etc. Now that I know, the "Grune Dame Admirors" will come back to life! Best Regards, Neil

Sep 23, 2007, 09:29 AM // 09:29	#41
Isileth Jungle Guide Join Date: Apr 2006 Profession: R/W	Well one thing to remember is....it isnt real money.... Also you can trust people on the internet. Not if you invite random people and promote them without ever getting to know them. But if you take your time yes you can. Im part of a community formed around gaming where everyone has met through games and we have given money (real money) over to people in the group before. Most of the time its for when we hire out a place for a LAN party or whatever we send it over to 1 guy who will arrange it all. But we also send money as gifts when people get married have kids etc. Now a lot of people have never met before, infact untill the first LAN we had no one had, we are spread across America and Europe. Yet we have taken the time to get to know each other to the point where we do trust each other, obviousely not everyone but hey there are always exceptions And the level of trust involved in having someone look after your guild is obviousely so much lower. Finding someone you trust to do that shouldnt be difficult. The fact that every guild I have been in has had multiple people we all trusted to look after the guild shows its possible as well. As long as you dont go promoting the wrong person for the wrong reasons you should never run into any problems.

Sep 23, 2007, 05:30 PM // 17:30	#42
populationcontrol Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: Jul 2007 Guild: USSR Profession: D/	it is real money, its even harder to earn than real money and nobody i know trusts people they dont know with there money. i think it should be optinal considering you own and invsted in the guild to have someone promoted during along absense not mandatory. regardless is you trust your guild mates the feature should be optional.

Sep 23, 2007, 05:47 PM // 17:47	#43
Isileth Jungle Guide Join Date: Apr 2006 Profession: R/W	No its not real money.... And when it comes down to it you dont own the money. You also dont own the guild. Anet owns it. And as such there is no ownership by a player meaning the leader doesnt loose it if he gets demoted because he never had it

Sep 27, 2007, 08:36 AM // 08:36	#44
segnisletum Academy Page Join Date: Mar 2007 Profession: N/	I know the account/password to my leaders and 4 other officers account and they mine. Crazy thing when you only promote people you trust. Would easily give them 550k and trust them to give it back a week later without me even needing to ask for it. I know none of these people in real life. We just talk on ts. Yes I have/would lend my credit card to someone. Only a friend I know and would have to know why they need it, but I would. If you don't have a single officer you can trust, you are leading a crap guild. This rule isn't just about the leader either. Hypothetically if our leader left, all the officers would be s.o.l. because recruiting would be near impossible. People join, see a leader gone for over a month and leave. The guild dies. Officers are depressed because they are playing in a decaying guild. They don't want to leave because they might have footed some of that 400k to build the hall. Besides, we boot members gone for 2 weeks if they didn't give notice, officers demoted after 5 days with no notice. Leader shouldn't be any different. How much does it actually cost to start the guild? Like 500g? They should get that back, after that all purchases belong to the guild itself, not the leader.

Oct 11, 2007, 07:21 PM // 19:21	#46
SpeedyG99 Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Oct 2007 Guild: Pirates Of The Searing [YoHo] Profession: Mo/E	Yep, never trust anyone, if you imagine them all as worthless worms and hate them, your friends list people are just random guys to take advantage of when they think you actually like them, you go FAR

Oct 30, 2007, 08:09 PM // 20:09	#49
Sleeper Service Jungle Guide Join Date: Dec 2005 Guild: CULT	there is nothing saying what happens if there are no officers left in the guild. does the guild just vanish? I'm asking this because we have a dead guild in our alliance and the leader doesn't have the balls to kick it out for...personal reasons.

Oct 30, 2007, 10:29 PM // 22:29	#50
NeilGarra Pre-Searing Cadet Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Sierra Vista, Arizona Guild: Grune Dame Admirors [GDA]	I found no info on an inactive "no officer" guild.

Oct 31, 2007, 09:28 PM // 21:28	#52
Rinadan Farhunt Academy Page Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: In the land of the horny gollochs. Guild: To Rise From The Ashes [Rise] Profession: R/W	This is a great feature... If you've bug... er, "gone away" for two months, you can't be much of a leader. Also, This guy posted this how long ago? Don't think he'll still be reading it somehow...

Dec 14, 2007, 10:32 PM // 22:32	#54
Miss Puddles Jungle Guide Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: California Guild: Shiverpeaks Search And Rescue [Lost] Profession: Me/	my guild set up a co-leader system when we formed up. the 3 of us founders rotate leadership depending on who is going to be busy with work, has relatives visiting, final exams, etc. if whoever is leader at the time will be unavailable for several days or more, it passes to one of the other two. seems to work well

Dec 24, 2007, 11:52 PM // 23:52	#55
scyfer Krytan Explorer Join Date: May 2006	This happened to my guild as well - and the person who was promoted was not an officer (there were two officers, the current leader was a member before). So... Iit seems to give leadership to members as well, if the leader and all officers haven't logged in in 2+ months :/ That is a bad idea.

Dec 25, 2007, 12:23 AM // 00:23	#56
Yang Whirlwind ~ Retired ~ Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Copenhagen, Denmark (GMT +1) Profession: E/	So let me get this right,- some of you are arguing that leaving a guild "headless" for more than 60 days shouldn't have consequences on ownership? Personally I think a leader who leaves for such a long period of time, without handing over the post to someone he trusts in his absense, is a leader in title only! If you leave for 60 days, not once logging in during that time, it stand to reason, that any people left in the guild, should be people who know you're comming back and are waiting for you,- or they would have found a new guild long before this! Rule makes sense to me! Just my 2 cents!

Dec 26, 2007, 07:20 PM // 19:20	#58
dark_prince2023 Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Mar 2007 Profession: W/Mo	This conversation is strang. I'm use to the guild being formed with a group not just one person (granted it can be done that way). Must guilds I've seen in this game and others are done this way and leaders are pretty much voted into office sort of like a president. Most guilds run like a government not a didctatorship and some of what I read on this thread is apalling. I'm glad I'm in a loosely run guild but even still it has it's rules and leaders are voted upon. I have seen 4 leaders since I've been in that guild none of them bad just stepped down when the time was right. If your never on and can't trust your officers and don't want to pass it on cause it's "yours" then I feel for your members.

Dec 27, 2007, 06:50 AM // 06:50	#59
Tarja Academy Page Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Canada	If a guild leader doesn't log in for 60 days, why should they get the position back? Honestly, put yourselves in the members and officer's positions. You can't deal with alliance matters, as only the leader has that power (leaving, inviting, ect). You can't demote an officer for inactivity, or if they over stepped their bounds (I'm NOT saying that they were bad, mistakes happen to everyone). Recruiting is hard, as newer members see that a leader hasn't logged on in xx amount of time. It's not a good sign to new members that the guild is "healthy" so to say. This happened to my old guild, and the leader disappeared. The officers had her phone number, but she never answered. Two officers had to take a break from the game for personal reasons, and our alliance went downhill with certain guilds verbally attacking our members. When the leader reached the 60 day limit, it was a good thing. Also, the leader isn't the only one who can purchase the NPC's/sigils needed. I just bought NPC's for my current guild, and I'm just a member. A guild is a group project, not a solo one. (Unless of course, you're a guild of one :P) Leadership is a responsibility. Look at it this way. If you were a part of a successful company and suddenly disappeared, those above you would appoint someone to take your place, and you'd get fired. It's your own fault if you didn't show up, and if it was a personal reason, you should have let someone know. At least GW just demotes you to officer status, and not member status, or even kick you from the guild